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Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:17:00 -
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my thoughts, 400mm res on fighters maybe a bit extreme. Tone it back to 350
Next to all the whiners about normal carriers
10 Ogre II's with a republic fleet target painter is a very very mean thing.
Other thoughts
people in rapiers and huggins with their massive target painter bonus will now have a purpose in capital fights, along with that minmatar ewar frig. Despite the huge change in scan resolution changes, there are modules that help negate this.
The changes here make it so you just can't have capitals in a fleet fight. YOU WILL have to have sub cap support, with webs painters, ewar.
Yay for dread buff.
Normal carrier pilots rejoice as those super cap pilots are going to have to rely on you to save their asses now with your massive ammounts of ewar drones and normal drones.
Final thought, normal carriers should have a bonus that reduces the sig of fighters. |

Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:19:00 -
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 Akara Ito wrote:Btw how about keeping a Dronebay on dreads and just give them -125 bandwith while in Siege ?
Actually this is a better idea, this will allow dread to have some sort of defense against subs while out of siege mode. |

Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:32:00 -
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CCP Tallest wrote:Regarding Titan gun tracking:
I am well aware of the issue and considered making changes to it. I decided against it for this balancing pass. We are still working on the winter release and this is not completely off the table. There will be public testing of these balancing changes on SISI and we are ready to consider further changes if needed.
Translation for the stupid people that post on the forums.
All nerfs are subject to change based on feed back on the test server forums. If you think some of these changes are bad, please state which nerf is bad, and give us a well thought out and well written reason on why.
We wont listen to random whining.
But if you give good supporting issues / arguement and dont rage we will listen.
Anyway after reading some of the posts.
Fighter changes are hit or miss 400 maybe too extreme. change it to 350 or 325 so it can hit battleships effectively.
Dreads - dont remove drone bays, while in siege mode set the amount of controllable drones to 0, either by direct mechanic of say -10532890532 bandwidth while in siege mode.
please look at tracking for normal dreads
for normal carriers look at a boost for them for regular fighters and drones to make them more benificial.
Finally - tactics are coming back to eve online. |

Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.10 23:10:00 -
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Kari Kari wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:If you enjoyed these changes and things happening to spaceships IN SPACE I guerantee you'll love the rest of the stuff we have lined up for winter  Keep an eye out for the blogs. Already cancelled all other subscriptions since EVE and CCP has gone to total sh**!
no one cares about obvious alt posts. you will still be here and you will still be flying your caps.
Quit your whining and get back to farming out your 0.0 space. |

Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:01:00 -
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Kari Kari wrote:Obsidian Hawk wrote:Kari Kari wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:If you enjoyed these changes and things happening to spaceships IN SPACE I guerantee you'll love the rest of the stuff we have lined up for winter  Keep an eye out for the blogs. Already cancelled all other subscriptions since EVE and CCP has gone to total sh**! no one cares about obvious alt posts. you will still be here and you will still be flying your caps. Quit your whining and get back to farming out your 0.0 space. Actually dips*** I will not be already gave most of my assets away to friends. So your intelligence level is pretty low... CCP LOW!
How about you get the balls to post with your main? Until you post with your main you get no respect. |

Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:22:00 -
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Ok so here is a tl;dr of the first 32 pages.
RAGE from 1/2 of 0.0
Joy from the other half.
The rage part comes from alliances that rely only on supers and can't fly anything smaller. The joy is coming from the alliances who dont have 1051375023 super caps to field at one time.
Pandemic legion - doesnt care, they are still going to hot drop your capitals and make you lose money, just going to be more creative about it.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM summarized / suggestions
1. :arrow:] Please let dreads keep their drone bay - but have the siege module make it so dreads cannot use drones while in siege mode - similar to carriers triage mode.
2 . Nothing really wrong with fighters and their scan resolution, they are fairly easy to kill as is, so no real need to change them.
3. Hel is getting hit the worst and will have the lowest EHP of all the mom's please leave their hp alone and maybe look into changing the bonus from logi to something like drone rof.
4. Drone bay sizes should be able to take a full compliment of fighters and fighter bombers. 25 f / 25 FB. This will leave some versatility to moms to either assign fighters to sub caps to help them out or have a full wing of bombers for capital / sov fights.
5. Look into dread / titan tracking of turrets,
6. You should explain more in depth about hybrid changes to quell the fear about the changes it is going to receive, you already broke its poor little legs.
7. If regular carriers are going to be support ships to the supers, make sure they get some good bonuses to help defend against sub caps, 7a - small hp buff 7b - better tracking for all drones 7c - speed bonus drones ETC
8. A note to the community - THESE ARE PLANNED CHANGES AND ARE NOT YET IN STONE! Get on the test server and try it out and offer constructive help not whining and rage quitting.
9. This is not a slap to bitter vets, most bitter vets flew before tons of super caps and massive pwn mobiles, they are smart and can adapt, they know tactics, and will adapt before the nerf hits.
10. To those asking for a reduced cost since hp is getting nerfed - quit asking the prices haven't really changed since they were introduced into the game. Back before their buff moms barely had 1 million ehp total and were still 18 bill.
11. Finally to the devs - BEFORE YOU IMPLEMENT THIS, please post a second dev blog about community suggestions on these changes and talk more with us about what changes will be final and which ones will be left on the floor, or changes we can meet each other half way. |

Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.11 02:46:00 -
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Velin Dhal wrote:You have got to be kidding me ?
What exactly is this supposed to balance ?
The low SP toons crying ?
You already put the nerf to titans when you took away the AOE doomsday. Now you take away the drone bay and can't use your doomsday on non caps ?
You don't let Super carriers have anything but fighters and fighter bombers ?
Dreds lose drone bays too ?
So apparently one guy in a heavy interdictor can point you and your never getting away. You didn't nerf them, you just made them unable to defend themselves. How is that balancing ?
Half the fun of super capitals is knowing you worked your ass off to get in one and it payed off. Now you make them worthless unless you have a huge support fleet surrounding you.
Why does it seem to me that every time there is a serious update to this game now, that low SP toons get the world and High SP toons have to bend over ?
1st look at sov warfare boards and see how many capitals / super caps are on kill mails
2. why should a titan be able to pop their tackle.
3....... you know what, **** trying to explain this.
IF YOU ARE IN A FUCKEN SOV 0.0 ALLIANCE this means you will need to work together as an alliance. All this does is make it so that people not in super caps have a role, and that role is to protect their super caps.
Example - EvE dominion trailer. Sub cap fleet clears out fodder for super caps. Super caps are no longer front line assault ships. If you jump in super caps w/o good support you deserve to die, everyone should be working together to achieve a goal, not the select 1% of your alliance in super caps blobbing. |

Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.11 04:12:00 -
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Aurora Egnald wrote:This is all about screwing the high skill pilots over period. Apperantly CCP is now practicing in game welfare in favor of the lower skilled/isk poor pilots. Looks like thay are really tryin to ruin this game in favor of their newest product world of darkness that caters to the twilight crowd.
Hi 80 million plus sp character here.
Let me explain everything wrong.
1st alt posting.
2nd. They are giving defined roles to super cap - destroying other super caps and sov structures rather than being able to kill anything and everything that gets near them.
3rd. If you ever read a WoD book in your life, its is more brutal that eve online.
4th. Only reason super cap pilots are complaining is because they now run the real risk of losing their ships, and many of their alliances know they cannot afford to reimburse them nor can they replace it themselves. ONLY FLY WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. #1 rule of eve online.
Every ship will now have a role in a fleet fight. fleet fights are no longer about capitals.
Titans can still open jump bridges and have clone bays. Mom's can still melt dreads and other super caps in groups along with sov structures. Dreads will now have a better chance of doing hit and run gangs for killing. Carriers will be needed to help keep supers alive and kill off stuff like hictors, dictors and dispense with neut ships.
Every capital will now has a role. |

Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.11 04:31:00 -
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The true bitter vets of eve are the ones who manipulate the market, alliance politics, and resources out of the sight of peering eyes. Not the super cap pilots.
The proper vets know not to put their investments all into 1 ship that can go boom and cant get a good pay off of insurance |

Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.11 04:55:00 -
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Ganthrithor wrote:Not every supercap pilot uses their ship in a blob context. If you're dead-set on stripping SCs of the little defensive capabilities they currently have (being able to field light drones) rather than simply reducing their drone bay sizes to 250-350m3 (which is the solution I think offers the best balance between the current "infinite drones" situation and SCs being utterly defenseless against any potential tacklers), then can you at least add in some logistical support perks to compensate?
Surely the some 4000 people in your alliance give you some sort of defensive capability.
Remember most of this nerf is to end cowboy variety super cap fights. If you want to commit them it is no longer Ginger Magician style or reckoning style.
If you want to committ to a fight and survive, you will have to rely on your FC's, you will have to rely on your alliance, you will have to rely on your friend s for victory and safety. All they are doing is putting an end to solo super cap play.
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Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.11 05:58:00 -
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Relnala wrote:My only concern is, with gank fit Moros out-DPSing all the SCs... what niche do SCs have again at 7x the cost?
They can't hit subcaps They can't even carry enough fighters to threaten battleships significantly They cant hit towers They have no personal defensive ability
I was looking forward to the SC nerf somewhat, but true to colors, CCP nerfs too much.
TBH, they kinda sound like bait ships.
First you are thinking of the nyx. moros is a dread
next
fighters can still hit subcaps with good support, so have your friends in hugginns near by.
20 fighters can and does hurt, 25 if you put on the +1 modules.
hitting towers - thats a dread's job anyway.
- as stated above have friends fly with you, they are not meant to be solo pwn mobiles. have some support by and all is well. |

Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.11 06:35:00 -
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malet wrote:
Best post here tbh, Just goes to prove CCP are not playing the game. You are listening to the whiners . I have 3 accounts that are supercaptial trained, 2 titan and 1 nyx. Why should we suffer just because you fail to get a grip on what is happening in the game.
I have to agree i would like to see a pop up window asking if i would like all my skills for supercaps reallocated all the isk and time reimbursed. You have truly become detached from the wonderful game that you have created. Such a shame but at least star wars galaxies is out soon,, along with BF3, guess then you will see a few more unemployed GM`s in Iceland as i suspect a lot of people leaving this game in disgust.
Most of the whine comes from the people that don`` have the foresight to compete, and the ex northern coalition that gorged all their isk instead of investing it in super cap production for their alliances. Now they are homeless and bitching about it. So what do you do? You punish the people that invested time and money in their people.
The stealth carrier nerf is a joke, even CCP say in their blog to bring carriers to the field, why would you do that. The fighter nerf just makes them a large hauler to move ships around. Thats it.
You are killing the game and driving your player base to other forms of entertainment such as bf3 / s.wars etc. If that was your intention then good job!! Good luck with DUST514, If your lucky you may have a subscriber base of 50k people left.
And one final thing, if you think supercaps are too hard to kill, stick them up against a malestrom fleet of a welp fleet of canes, then come back to me and tell me they cant be killed!!!!
Dont expect any more cash from my wallet, or allow us 1 docking to reporcess these now completely useless ships and give us our skillpoints back
you of all people are a 2004 player and know that there is more to this game than just super caps and should have adpated to all situations by now. You started the game before super caps were even introduced and some how, you made it in the game.
Carriers - lets see, they have triage, can field any drone type except fighter bombers, move stuff around, deploy extra ships to a contested system if a pilot gets podded.
Mom's can still drop dreads and other capitals with out blinking an eye, titans can still drop massive fleets with good support.
hot dropping will still occur.
Also you are a member of fin fleet, didn't you hold space back in bob long before the super cap prolliferation?
You sir need to get in touch with your roots.
ALL super vets need to get in touch with their original roots, back when there were no 230573208532 super caps out there and when we fought for sov with what ever we could find. in the ship hanger.
Seriously are super cap pilots soo out of touch where they came from that they dont remember, where they came from or how they played the game initially?
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Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.11 16:14:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:SERIOUSLY LETS PAY ATTENTION REALLY QUICK.
AN 900 MILLION ISK CARRIER CAN LAUNCH 10 WARRIOR 2'S TO DEFEND ITSELF FROM A SABER
BUT
AN 18 BILLION ISK SUPER CARRIER CAN'T.
That sounds fair and balanced and normal to everybody here that makes this game?
To be very clear, I do not own a supercarrier, and do not care about them whatsoever, I'm just trying to make sure we're all working with the same amount of sanity.
IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO BUY AN 18 BILLION ISK SUPERCARRIER!!!!!
THEN YOU CAN CERTAINLY AFFORD TO BUY SOME FRIENDS TO PROTECT YOU FROM A SABRE!!!
OMG WORKING TOGETHER AS A TEAM!!!! CCP IS FORCING US TO SOICALIZE AND WORK TOGETHER WHAHHH WAHHHH!!
Go pod youself sir. oh can i has your super cap? |

Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.11 16:24:00 -
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What people fail to understand is there are more DRF members / allies on the CSM than goons. oh wait.. |

Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.12 02:00:00 -
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J'J'J'Jita wrote:Will pilots with the Fighter Bombers or (racial) Titan skills trained be reimbursed their skillpoints in normal drones, since those skills are now totally useless for supercapital pilots?
My Erebus pilot would like those drone skillpoints back.
You will need those drone skills when your erebus gets popped and you are forced back into a regular battleship. |

Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.13 00:35:00 -
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new feedback
1. Please let dreads keep their drone bay - but have the siege module make it so dreads cannot use drones while in siege mode - similar to carriers triage mode. 
2. Hel is getting hit the worst and will have the lowest EHP of all the mom's please leave their hp alone and maybe look into changing the bonus from logi to something like drone rof.
3. Drone bay sizes should be able to take a full compliment of fighters and fighter bombers. 25 f / 25 FB. This will leave some versatility to moms to either assign fighters to sub caps to help them out or have a full wing of bombers for capital / sov fights.
3.a. To appease the super cap whiners that have no friends to back them up in a fleet fight.
MAKE 2 drone bays. One for fighters and fighter bombers, And another one for regular drones. large enough to accomodate, 25 light, 25 medium, 25 heavy, 25 sentry, and 25 ewar. Now to the whiney super cap pilots --- THIS IS MEETING THE ISSUE HALF WAY, It gives you reasonable defense against subs but its not op where you can constantly throw drones out.
4. AS an added bonus to help supers carriers and others, MAYBE offer a bonus to smartbomb range or neut range.
5. Look into dread / titan tracking of turrets,
6. You should explain more in depth about hybrid changes to quell the fear about the changes it is going to receive, you already broke its poor little legs.
7. If regular carriers are going to be support ships to the supers, make sure they get some good bonuses to help defend against sub caps, 7a - small hp buff 7b - better tracking for all drones 7c - speed bonus drones ETC
8. A note to the community - THESE ARE PLANNED CHANGES AND ARE NOT YET IN STONE! Get on the test server and try it out and offer constructive help not whining and rage quitting.
9. To most of you bitter vets - We were all around before super caps existed, we were all around fighting for sov long before tons and tons of moms were fielded. MAKE UP TACTICS, Send in the subs first to distract their subs then send in the dreads and supers to take out their capitals.
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Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.13 17:51:00 -
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To defend my point 3, The idea is if the average mom pilot has carrier 5, then 20 drones is all they can field w/o using the drone control units. This allows the mom pilot to field 20 of each while having 5 extra for back up.
Most people can agree that getting your drones shot down by rats or smartbombed is annoying as hell.
Now I like to ask the thoughts of the 2 drone bays.
A fighter bay and a drone bay as i also stated in point 3. If you have two seperate bays this will really limit how many drones moms can put out and allow them to assist in pos take downs with sentries, and help defense against sub caps.
This will retain some versatility of moms but not make them op. Instead of cutting the balls off nerf it will just be more of a kick in the balls. |

Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.13 21:35:00 -
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@ the morsus mihi person a few pages back.
Calm down, read it carefully. My compromises on the motherhips are reasonable. If you split up the drone bays for carriers and motherships to where you have a drone bay and a fighter bay. YOU LIMIT what they are capable of. Limiting the sizes limit the effectiveness. |

Obsidian Hawk
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Posted - 2011.10.13 23:31:00 -
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Goose Sokarad wrote:Obsidian you want to keep supers a swiss army knife by giving them normal drones to deal with ANY situation which isnt balanced.
There isnt anything wrong with the new logoff mechanics if you die because you logged off with aggression and didnt relog to deal with the aggression you deserve to die if someone finds you.Only bad thing with this is if your internet goes down that would be frustrating,but i wouldnt fly a super unless i could afford to lose it.
it meeting halfway.
IT's a very limited swiss army knife. Sure it would have all the tools but only 2 of the blades are metal, the rest are plastic.
25 light / medium / heavy / sentry / ewar drones. IF that seems to be too extreme limit it to a full fighter bay of 25 of fighters and FB and have a seperate drone bay that's 1250m-¦ for regular drones. That seems like a lot of drone bay but a full flight of 25 heavies is 625m-¦.
Anyway, Im trying to work for a well balanced compromise here. Sure they will be versatile but not as much as they are now. As for the comment of a swiss army knife, yes it would be a swiss army knife still, except it would have 2 blades and the screwdriver, wine opener, scissors would all be made of plastic. |
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